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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
		<link>http://beargoggleson.com/2010/06/16/bears-depth-a-question-of-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3869</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insight Doshi.  It&#039;s nice to see someone else who gets it.  Think about the &#039;85 Bears - they were killers up front. Offensive and Defensive lines were stacked top to bottom.  That&#039;s where they dominated on both sides of the ball and what led them to a Super Bowl crown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insight Doshi.  It&#8217;s nice to see someone else who gets it.  Think about the &#8217;85 Bears &#8211; they were killers up front. Offensive and Defensive lines were stacked top to bottom.  That&#8217;s where they dominated on both sides of the ball and what led them to a Super Bowl crown.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
		<link>http://beargoggleson.com/2010/06/16/bears-depth-a-question-of-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3868</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is the real Megan Fox, please consider my reply to this comment as a marriage proposal. (Don&#039;t tell my wife!) If it&#039;s not and this is at least a woman, send a picture and we can talk.  J/K 

Kidding aside, great comment.  This is the kind of cogent, thoughtful response that will make me re-visit my arguments and reconsider my position.

Has the team improved over last season?  It sure looks like it.  Is it good enough to compete for a playoff spot?  Doubt it.

The point is, don&#039;t confuse an overabundance of depth at some positions, like linebacker and tight end, for having real depth.  If nothing else, it shows how many holes last year&#039;s squad had.

BEAR DOWN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is the real Megan Fox, please consider my reply to this comment as a marriage proposal. (Don&#8217;t tell my wife!) If it&#8217;s not and this is at least a woman, send a picture and we can talk.  J/K </p>
<p>Kidding aside, great comment.  This is the kind of cogent, thoughtful response that will make me re-visit my arguments and reconsider my position.</p>
<p>Has the team improved over last season?  It sure looks like it.  Is it good enough to compete for a playoff spot?  Doubt it.</p>
<p>The point is, don&#8217;t confuse an overabundance of depth at some positions, like linebacker and tight end, for having real depth.  If nothing else, it shows how many holes last year&#8217;s squad had.</p>
<p>BEAR DOWN!</p>
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		<title>By: Doshi</title>
		<link>http://beargoggleson.com/2010/06/16/bears-depth-a-question-of-perception/comment-page-1/#comment-3867</link>
		<dc:creator>Doshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there&#039;s kinda a point in there.  In certain areas, the Bears are deeper than they&#039;ve ever been.  They&#039;ve currently got 5 Starting caliber LBs, and another that could be a starter on a few (bad) teams.  The WRs are fantastic top to bottom with the exception of Davis.  I&#039;ve said this for months, the Bears currently have at least 4 different WR2s, more than any other team in the NFL, and I think that two of them have the talent to become legit WR1s (DevA and Johnny Flyer).  The RBs also have pretty good depth, though I&#039;m not sure how much that&#039;ll help this team given that only one or two RBs can be on the field at the same time.  Forte is a legit RB1, and Taylor is an RB1.5 (he can start for many teams, and is a fantastic backup).  That&#039;s really all you need out of the RB position.

But that&#039;s where the depth ends.  I&#039;m not as scared for the secondary anymore with Wright and Harris in the fold, but realistically Harris is the only legit starter at Safety.  I liked Afalava last year, but I&#039;m disappointed that he hasn&#039;t seemed to improve from that.  None of the others really stand out to me.  At Corner, we&#039;ve got an All Pro in Peanut who can cover anybody 6-4 or shorter, and at least one other legit starter between Bowman, Graham, Jennings, and Moore.  I think they&#039;ll miss Vasher back there, as I think he&#039;ll break out again this season finally being healthy and all.

The lines are in horrendous shape.  On the DL, there&#039;s really only one legitimate starter currently playing in position, and that&#039;s Peppers.  Izzy is a DT, not a DE.  Anderson isn&#039;t a starter, and probably is a borderline roster player on most teams.  Harris will never again be healthy or productive.  None of the others have done anything at the professional level.  We will miss Wale and especially Brown this year.  Wale is clearly on the downside of his career, but can still be productive.  Brown was the steadiest player on this Bears DL for years and years.  Never great, but never bad either.  To just dump him and get nothing in return is a massive mistake.  On the offensive side, three spots are secure.  Kreutz is old, no doubt, but he was still decent enough to 1-on-1 or help on a combo block against most 4-3 DTs.  Garza is good, not great, and has solidified his spot at RG.  Williams is our LT, sink or swim at the position.  LG and RT are complete mysteries to me.  None of the players other than the 3 starters already identified have either much experience or much success at their spots on the line.

This team does have depth at certain positions.  But the key ones where having depth really matters (like the lines), they are sorely missing players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s kinda a point in there.  In certain areas, the Bears are deeper than they&#8217;ve ever been.  They&#8217;ve currently got 5 Starting caliber LBs, and another that could be a starter on a few (bad) teams.  The WRs are fantastic top to bottom with the exception of Davis.  I&#8217;ve said this for months, the Bears currently have at least 4 different WR2s, more than any other team in the NFL, and I think that two of them have the talent to become legit WR1s (DevA and Johnny Flyer).  The RBs also have pretty good depth, though I&#8217;m not sure how much that&#8217;ll help this team given that only one or two RBs can be on the field at the same time.  Forte is a legit RB1, and Taylor is an RB1.5 (he can start for many teams, and is a fantastic backup).  That&#8217;s really all you need out of the RB position.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s where the depth ends.  I&#8217;m not as scared for the secondary anymore with Wright and Harris in the fold, but realistically Harris is the only legit starter at Safety.  I liked Afalava last year, but I&#8217;m disappointed that he hasn&#8217;t seemed to improve from that.  None of the others really stand out to me.  At Corner, we&#8217;ve got an All Pro in Peanut who can cover anybody 6-4 or shorter, and at least one other legit starter between Bowman, Graham, Jennings, and Moore.  I think they&#8217;ll miss Vasher back there, as I think he&#8217;ll break out again this season finally being healthy and all.</p>
<p>The lines are in horrendous shape.  On the DL, there&#8217;s really only one legitimate starter currently playing in position, and that&#8217;s Peppers.  Izzy is a DT, not a DE.  Anderson isn&#8217;t a starter, and probably is a borderline roster player on most teams.  Harris will never again be healthy or productive.  None of the others have done anything at the professional level.  We will miss Wale and especially Brown this year.  Wale is clearly on the downside of his career, but can still be productive.  Brown was the steadiest player on this Bears DL for years and years.  Never great, but never bad either.  To just dump him and get nothing in return is a massive mistake.  On the offensive side, three spots are secure.  Kreutz is old, no doubt, but he was still decent enough to 1-on-1 or help on a combo block against most 4-3 DTs.  Garza is good, not great, and has solidified his spot at RG.  Williams is our LT, sink or swim at the position.  LG and RT are complete mysteries to me.  None of the players other than the 3 starters already identified have either much experience or much success at their spots on the line.</p>
<p>This team does have depth at certain positions.  But the key ones where having depth really matters (like the lines), they are sorely missing players.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Dan was referring is the Bears are deeper now then they were last year, and in some ways deeper then they have been in a long while.  This is true, especially if last year is used as the primary reference.  We lost 2 linebackers, had a depleted running back in Forte, whom had far to much load to carry by himself with the injury on top of that.  There were also injuries in the secondary and a very young receiver corps matched with a new quarterback.

The Bears have added Brian Urlacher, Pisa Tinoisiamoa, Chester Taylor, Julius Peppers, Brandon Malumaluna, Chris Harris, Major Wright and a slew of other draft choices.

While lacking a first and second round pick we still managed to shore up some weaker fronts on the team.

Cornerback is an area of concern, offensive line as well.

Cornerback is a bigger scare then safety for me with the rash of injuries that Peanut and Bowman have had.  I have no doubt they will excel this year, especially with help of better safety play and more importantly a better pass rush.

Offensive line is a fear as it was clearly a weak link last year.  While most believe that outside sources were and still are needed to remedy this there is potential in either Johan or Louis, it is not uncommon for decent linemen to be found in later rounds as most out of school are undersized or simply not strong enough yet.  Last year during the final four games line play was better and that was largely due to moving Williams in at left tackle instantly adding more credibility to the entire side.  For most fans the concept of the importance for the line to be one as a team vs individual performance is hard to understand.  I am confident that Tice will get the most out of this line, even if it isnt that best in the league.

Overall I feel confident in this team simply because I feel we will be able to adjust to situations better.  Last year our threat of running was considered zero, it was easy to stop and even easier to predict.  With the development of the receivers clicking with Cutler this promises to be a high speed offense.

This team is now geared to score a lot, often, and quickly.  The defense will no longer have to win games for us.  Cutler will be used on a lot of roll outs, some threatening deep play while others will be diversions to get the RB&#039;s the ball in space.

While I am not predicting a superbowl trip just yet, I feel confident we get 12 wins and even if not I would be willing to bet my Armani contract that my Bears will be far more entertaining to watch then in recent years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Dan was referring is the Bears are deeper now then they were last year, and in some ways deeper then they have been in a long while.  This is true, especially if last year is used as the primary reference.  We lost 2 linebackers, had a depleted running back in Forte, whom had far to much load to carry by himself with the injury on top of that.  There were also injuries in the secondary and a very young receiver corps matched with a new quarterback.</p>
<p>The Bears have added Brian Urlacher, Pisa Tinoisiamoa, Chester Taylor, Julius Peppers, Brandon Malumaluna, Chris Harris, Major Wright and a slew of other draft choices.</p>
<p>While lacking a first and second round pick we still managed to shore up some weaker fronts on the team.</p>
<p>Cornerback is an area of concern, offensive line as well.</p>
<p>Cornerback is a bigger scare then safety for me with the rash of injuries that Peanut and Bowman have had.  I have no doubt they will excel this year, especially with help of better safety play and more importantly a better pass rush.</p>
<p>Offensive line is a fear as it was clearly a weak link last year.  While most believe that outside sources were and still are needed to remedy this there is potential in either Johan or Louis, it is not uncommon for decent linemen to be found in later rounds as most out of school are undersized or simply not strong enough yet.  Last year during the final four games line play was better and that was largely due to moving Williams in at left tackle instantly adding more credibility to the entire side.  For most fans the concept of the importance for the line to be one as a team vs individual performance is hard to understand.  I am confident that Tice will get the most out of this line, even if it isnt that best in the league.</p>
<p>Overall I feel confident in this team simply because I feel we will be able to adjust to situations better.  Last year our threat of running was considered zero, it was easy to stop and even easier to predict.  With the development of the receivers clicking with Cutler this promises to be a high speed offense.</p>
<p>This team is now geared to score a lot, often, and quickly.  The defense will no longer have to win games for us.  Cutler will be used on a lot of roll outs, some threatening deep play while others will be diversions to get the RB&#8217;s the ball in space.</p>
<p>While I am not predicting a superbowl trip just yet, I feel confident we get 12 wins and even if not I would be willing to bet my Armani contract that my Bears will be far more entertaining to watch then in recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: SW Bears Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>SW Bears Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have potential depth at WR and RB + TE, but to be truthful, everything rests on the OL and I am very scared about what we have there. I think it makes sense to be high on williams and I think Kreutz can still play if the guards hold their own but regardless, in a Martz timing based system, the line is going to need to show up in a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have potential depth at WR and RB + TE, but to be truthful, everything rests on the OL and I am very scared about what we have there. I think it makes sense to be high on williams and I think Kreutz can still play if the guards hold their own but regardless, in a Martz timing based system, the line is going to need to show up in a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of my post made you think I was high?  If you think you have a case - bring it!  I would love a lively offseason debate to spice things up.  If you want to be a lemming, go read Larry Mayer on Chicagobears.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of my post made you think I was high?  If you think you have a case &#8211; bring it!  I would love a lively offseason debate to spice things up.  If you want to be a lemming, go read Larry Mayer on Chicagobears.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pred.  Glad you like the blog.  I just tell it like it is - good or bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pred.  Glad you like the blog.  I just tell it like it is &#8211; good or bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Predatorian234</title>
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		<dc:creator>Predatorian234</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think he was high?

One of the main reasons why I love coming to Bear Goggles is because Boomer actually says what needs to be said.  Everything he said is absolutely true.  The Bears are so full of problems that I&#039;ll be amazed if we make wild card this year.

Hell, I&#039;d be happy if we went 8-8 as long as Martz&#039;s system makes the offense more interesting to watch then Ron Turners boring ass offense.

You know when Bears fans get crazy when Chicagobears.com holds a vote on how many games the bears will win and like 60% say they&#039;ll go better then 12-4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think he was high?</p>
<p>One of the main reasons why I love coming to Bear Goggles is because Boomer actually says what needs to be said.  Everything he said is absolutely true.  The Bears are so full of problems that I&#8217;ll be amazed if we make wild card this year.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;d be happy if we went 8-8 as long as Martz&#8217;s system makes the offense more interesting to watch then Ron Turners boring ass offense.</p>
<p>You know when Bears fans get crazy when Chicagobears.com holds a vote on how many games the bears will win and like 60% say they&#8217;ll go better then 12-4.</p>
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