Bears OC Mike Martz Interested In Arizona State Head Coaching Job

Mike Martz could be ditching the winter coat and gloves for a tank top and sun shade if he leaves the Bears for ASU.

Reports are starting to circulate that Chicago Bears Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz is interested in the recently vacant Arizona State head coaching job.  Arizona Republic reporter Doug Haller tweeted the info earlier on Tuesday after ASU head coach Dennis Erickson was let go on Monday.  Martz was an assistant at ASU for ’83-’91.

Martz is a free agent after this season, having turned down an extension from the Bears in the offseason.  It’s been widely speculated that Martz was only using the Bears OC job as a stepping stone to get back in control with a head coaching gig.  I didn’t figure it would be in the college ranks but no one has been breaking down the Bears door for Martz’s services.

If Martz does depart, it would likely mean another new offense for Jay Cutler to learn.  I’ve heard some rumblings that Mike Tice might be in line to take over as OC if he doesn’t depart for greener pastures himself.

Based on some of the Twitter chatter, it doesn’t seem like Bears fans are too up in arms if Martz departs.  Based on some of his play calling, I would tend to agree.  Martz was never a good fit for the Bears and was a desperation hire because no one wanted to take the job for a lame duck Lovie Smith.  Given the Bears’ rebound the last couple of seasons, the job stability of Lovie and Jerry Angelo and Jay Cutler’s emergence this season, the Bears’ OC job is actually a pretty desirable gig.

What do you think if Martz departs?  Good for the Bears?  Bad for the Bears?  Who cares?  Let’s hear your comments.

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  • SolitaryFracture

    I am a big Mike Martz Fan I have watched my RAMS go from the GREATEST SHOW ON TURF to BUMS worst in the league the last half of a decade. I also went to ASU so having MARTZ come to ASU is exciting. I would love to see him here.

  • BYEBYEMIKE

    GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

  • SolitaryFracture

    I am a big Mike Martz Fan I have watched my RAMS go from the GREATEST SHOW ON TURF to BUMS worst in the league the last half of a decade. I also went to ASU so having MARTZ come to ASU is exciting. I would love to see him here.

  • BYEBYEMIKE

    GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

  • UCF_Bear

    Hmmm. Last season, the 7-9 (ultimately 8-10) Seahawks had a surge under Jeremy Bates, who was instrumental in helping Cutler become a Pro Bowl QB. Also didn’t Cutler say he thought Bates had a great mind for offense?

    On another note, if Rod Marinelli decides to take a head coaching job, any thoughts on hiring Jack Del Rio as DC? Julius Peppers had some good production under him and Del Rio knows defense!

  • UCF_Bear

    Hmmm. Last season, the 7-9 (ultimately 8-10) Seahawks had a surge under Jeremy Bates, who was instrumental in helping Cutler become a Pro Bowl QB. Also didn’t Cutler say he thought Bates had a great mind for offense?

    On another note, if Rod Marinelli decides to take a head coaching job, any thoughts on hiring Jack Del Rio as DC? Julius Peppers had some good production under him and Del Rio knows defense!

  • VinceJones

    Bye, Bye and buy bonds.

  • Mr.Pickles

    Honestly I think it’s kind of a lose lose situation. Martz’s offense, and his stubbornness, were never really a good fit for the Bears (though in his defense outside of Cutler and Forte he didn’t have a lot to work with to be successful). On the other hand I think giving Cutler and the offense yet another offensive system to learn next year will impede their growth and probably lead to a down year. It’s looking to be all but guaranteed that Martz won’t be back next year, the only question for me is who steps in next year. Tice sounds like a shoo-in, but if it’s not him who else is out there (honest question, I really have no idea)? I won’t miss Martz but I’m not real confident there’s a better option either.

  • VinceJones

    Bye, Bye and buy bonds.

  • Mr.Pickles

    Honestly I think it’s kind of a lose lose situation. Martz’s offense, and his stubbornness, were never really a good fit for the Bears (though in his defense outside of Cutler and Forte he didn’t have a lot to work with to be successful). On the other hand I think giving Cutler and the offense yet another offensive system to learn next year will impede their growth and probably lead to a down year. It’s looking to be all but guaranteed that Martz won’t be back next year, the only question for me is who steps in next year. Tice sounds like a shoo-in, but if it’s not him who else is out there (honest question, I really have no idea)? I won’t miss Martz but I’m not real confident there’s a better option either.

  • jrstaples1

    Good riddance! Maybe if Tice takes over they’ll finally address that terrible O line and get Cutler some protection.

  • flowermike

    Boom hit the nail, Martz was a hire of last resort and we’ve had a lost two year phase offensively. But the issues lie deeper than any playcaller. Counting Denver, Cutler has been in 4 different systems (Is that true?) in what, 5 years?

    Fun thing is if Tice would accept the job and lament that we needed a pass catching TE who stretchs the field and causes matchup problems…. ooooopppppsssss. Maybe we could find an “Olsen” for a third round pick? Yeah, unlikely.

    If Jerry and Lovie don’t follow Mike to Arizona, our situation won’t change. And Laird bless anyone willing to take Marinelli. If only the entire staff except Toub was replaced…. no, the entire organization except for Taub.

    Wow, maybe that is the answer?! Hire Taub to do all the coaching and organizational duties!

    Monkey’s throwing darts couldn’t do much worse.

  • jrstaples1

    Good riddance! Maybe if Tice takes over they’ll finally address that terrible O line and get Cutler some protection.

  • flowermike

    Boom hit the nail, Martz was a hire of last resort and we’ve had a lost two year phase offensively. But the issues lie deeper than any playcaller. Counting Denver, Cutler has been in 4 different systems (Is that true?) in what, 5 years?

    Fun thing is if Tice would accept the job and lament that we needed a pass catching TE who stretchs the field and causes matchup problems…. ooooopppppsssss. Maybe we could find an “Olsen” for a third round pick? Yeah, unlikely.

    If Jerry and Lovie don’t follow Mike to Arizona, our situation won’t change. And Laird bless anyone willing to take Marinelli. If only the entire staff except Toub was replaced…. no, the entire organization except for Taub.

    Wow, maybe that is the answer?! Hire Taub to do all the coaching and organizational duties!

    Monkey’s throwing darts couldn’t do much worse.

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade),

    Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not

    ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • UCF_Bear

    *Minus Roy Williams. I.E. the man that Martz said will have 70-80 catches this year, actually production thus far 24 receptions for 335 yards. With 5 more games to go Roy will need 46 catches to make 70 rec and 665 yards to make 1000. That averages to 133 per game for the home-run stretch…I won’t hold my breath.

    Johnny Knox thus far 28 rec for 622 yards. Johnny needs 378 yards to make 1000 over the next 5 games. All he has to average is 75.6 yards a game, very doable.

    - Last year Knox had 51 rec for 960 yards. Williams had 37 rec for 530. There’s a head scratcher most of us agree on. We passed on Sims-Walker and Burress for Williams? I’m fine with no one wanting Walker or Burress, but I think we’re agreed there’s no justification for Williams thus far.

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike

    Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with the Beloved and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade),

    Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not

    ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • UCF_Bear

    *Minus Roy Williams. I.E. the man that Martz said will have 70-80 catches this year, actually production thus far 24 receptions for 335 yards. With 5 more games to go Roy will need 46 catches to make 70 rec and 665 yards to make 1000. That averages to 133 per game for the home-run stretch…I won’t hold my breath.

    Johnny Knox thus far 28 rec for 622 yards. Johnny needs 378 yards to make 1000 over the next 5 games. All he has to average is 75.6 yards a game, very doable.

    - Last year Knox had 51 rec for 960 yards. Williams had 37 rec for 530. There’s a head scratcher most of us agree on. We passed on Sims-Walker and Burress for Williams? I’m fine with no one wanting Walker or Burress, but I think we’re agreed there’s no justification for Williams thus far.

    I didn’t name everyone that this staff has brought in or coaches they’ve hired, but I’m not ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. By all means, let’s discuss the merit of those named and bring up others you feel have contributed to the Bears success and/or failure.

    *Ding, Ding, Ding* LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

    In friendly fan-to-fan dialogue of course :)

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with DA’ Bears and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • UCF_Bear

    @flowermike

    Sorry boss, but I’m going to defend Lovie and Jerry. Sometimes I scratch my head and question the “moves” they’ve made or plays Lovie will call (2nd & 1, cross throw when Marion Barber had good momentum on the ground???). However, let’s look at the talent they’ve brought in. Jerry hired in ’01′/Lovies in ’04′. Not all of the players named are still with the Beloved and some aren’t even in the league anymore. But gauge the value they gave us when they wore Papa Bear’s Orange & Navy

    2001 – David Terrell, Anthony Thomas

    2002 – Alex Brown

    [F.A. – Brad Maynard]

    2003 – Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Bobby Wade, Justin Gauge

    [F.A. - Hunter Hillenmeyer]

    2004 – Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Bernard Berrian, Nathan Vasher

    [F.A. – Israel Idonije, Thomas Jones, Adewale Ogunleye]

    2005 – Cedric Benson, Kyle Orton, Chris Harris

    [F.A. – Brendon Ayanbadejo, Roberto Garza, Robbie Gould]

    2006 – Daniel Manning, Devon Hester, Dusty Dvoracek, Jamar Williams, Mark Anderson

    2007 – Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Corey Graham

    [F.A. – Anthony Adams, Nick Roach]

    2008 – Chris Williams, Matt Forte, Earl Bennett, Craig Steltz, Zack Bowman, Kellen Davis

    [F.A. - Devin Aromashodu, Caleb Hanie, Brandon Lloyd,]

    2009 – Henry Melton, D.J. Moore, Johnny Knox (5th Rd that came with the Cutler trade), Lance Louis

    [F.A. – THE JAY CUTLER TRADE]

    2010 – Major Wright (more consistency and I think this 3rd Rd’er will be good value)

    [F.A. – Acquiring JULIUS PEPPERS]

    2011 – Looks good so far, but we’ll need at least a full season for fair evaluation

    [F.A. - Same for the free agents as rookies]

  • flowermike

    Where to start UCF?

    Succinctly, of those you mention as successes, only Briggs, Peanut, Hester, Forte, Knox, and Bennett have contributed and are still playing for us over your 10 year sample.

    Your free agent successes (?) include just Peppers, Gould and Cutler over that same period? My bad, Brandon A left for greener pastures when his play deserved pay.

    The amount of underdveloped talent or current doghoused talent is considerably more telling. Add in the lost class of ’07 and you’re really stretching.

    Our team is thin and aging. We’ve lost productive players and chose not to replace them. We sign unproductive free agents to deals, but can’t afford to pay Forte. The only offensive coordinator that would accept the job offered jettisons productive players for a scheme unthinkable to a team whose self prescribed mantra is “get off the bus running”. Our defensive coordinator is the only one that would take the job.

    Where is Ron Rivera my friend? Was the Super Bowl loss a signal to stand pat? Did the acquisition of a franchise qb include a similar investment in the offensive line? Legit questions posed to a secretive organization. I have more….

  • flowermike

    Where to start UCF?

    Succinctly, of those you mention as successes, only Briggs, Peanut, Hester, Forte, Knox, and Bennett have contributed and are still playing for us over your 10 year sample.

    Your free agent successes (?) include just Peppers, Gould and Cutler over that same period? My bad, Brandon A left for greener pastures when his play deserved pay.

    The amount of underdveloped talent or current doghoused talent is considerably more telling. Add in the lost class of ’07 and you’re really stretching.

    Our team is thin and aging. We’ve lost productive players and chose not to replace them. We sign unproductive free agents to deals, but can’t afford to pay Forte. The only offensive coordinator that would accept the job offered jettisons productive players for a scheme unthinkable to a team whose self prescribed mantra is “get off the bus running”. Our defensive coordinator is the only one that would take the job.

    Where is Ron Rivera my friend? Was the Super Bowl loss a signal to stand pat? Did the acquisition of a franchise qb include a similar investment in the offensive line? Legit questions posed to a secretive organization. I have more….

  • UCF_Bear

    I posted this on Chicagobears.com as well: “I’m personally starting the lobby now…BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!! Cutler + Knox + Bennet + Sanzenbacher + Forte/Barber (utilized properly) = a Top 10 Offense…stipulation being when utilized right. Seattle surged well under Bates last year and probably would have picked up where they left off had he and Carroll not had “philosophical” differences on how to run the offense. BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!! Cutler will return to his pro-bowl potential! I realize now how exceptional his ability is. The O-Line didn’t improve as much as Jay made plays in/out of the pocket and created something out of nothing. Not to fully slam the O-Line, there was a string of games there when it looked like things were coming together. But I think looking at how quickly they’ve reverted, that that speaks more of Jay’s ability to adapt and create space or a play than it does of their inconsistency. I’m starting the lobby and the campaign won’t stop…BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  • UCF_Bear

    I posted this on Chicagobears.com as well: “I’m personally starting the lobby now…BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!! Cutler + Knox + Bennet + Sanzenbacher + Forte/Barber (utilized properly) = a Top 10 Offense…stipulation being when utilized right. Seattle surged well under Bates last year and probably would have picked up where they left off had he and Carroll not had “philosophical” differences on how to run the offense. BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!! Cutler will return to his pro-bowl potential! I realize now how exceptional his ability is. The O-Line didn’t improve as much as Jay made plays in/out of the pocket and created something out of nothing. Not to fully slam the O-Line, there was a string of games there when it looked like things were coming together. But I think looking at how quickly they’ve reverted, that that speaks more of Jay’s ability to adapt and create space or a play than it does of their inconsistency. I’m starting the lobby and the campaign won’t stop…BRING JEREMY BATES TO CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

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